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crutch kick (gwaai geuk)

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Postby Off the Beaten Track » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:06 pm

拐脚 is a concept that is commonly used in a few southern styles, Hung ga, Wing Chun, Mok ga etc..

无拐不成脚 is the saying
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Postby PM » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:24 pm

interesting guys, thnx!
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Postby PM » Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:27 pm

i just read the story about Wong Feinhung killing that dog in Hong Kong, using so called "monkey shape crutch kick" (hau ying gwaai geuk). well... ?
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Postby PM » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:49 pm

Wong Kiew Kit sifu


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Postby PM » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:28 pm

from one of the old magazines, story about Wong Keiying

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Postby Daifong » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:55 am

Wong Kei Ying's Gwai Ji Geuk/ "Crutch-Kick", commonly referred to as a "Shadowless kick", which also includes the "Yin-Lifting Kick", "Court-Sweeping Leg", "Propping-Rooster Leg", and "Single-Standing Golden Rooster Leg"). These skills, because issuing such a counter is so extremely fast that the opponent is unable to detect a shadow, are therefore called the "Shadowless Kicks".

The "Crutch-Kick" of the Siu Lam Hung Ga system, likewise a "Shadowless Kick", is referred to as a Gwai Ji/ "Crutch". The idea of it is to Heui Jiu/ "Counter with Emptiness". When issuing this counter-attack against an opponent, it is first necessary by means of emptiness to strike forth, "signalling the east to attack the west", distracting the opponent's ears and eyes. This type of "empty counter" is referred to as a Gwai Ji/ "Crutch", and also called the Ying Da/ "Shadow-Strike" as well.

From Siu Lam writings, we have the words, Mo Gwai Bat Sing Geuk/ "Without The Crutch There Can Be No Kick". The idea being that, with every Siu Lam leg technique, whenever raising a kick to attack the opponent, one must simultaneously counter using emptiness while distracting the opponent's ears and eyes. If there is no empty counter, it is not a lineage Siu Lam kicking technique, for sure. This is why it's called the "Crutch-Kick"/ Gwai Ji Geuk.

Pavel, after translating this I am disappointed...

I was looking forward to a story about Wong Kei Ying?

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Postby Daifong » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:39 am

Anyway, two variants of Gwai Ji are in current use. The first, 拐杖 describes a crutch, and has been used in writings by many noted Hung Kyun practitioners, both these characters, and the subsequent translation. While the use of anything but timing, directness, and speed could be looked upon as a "crutch", I feel such usage in this case to be a stretch.

This article, however, uses 拐子, which means "abduction", and follows well with the value that the author here describes (void opposing force/ use distraction to attack or counter). "Crutch" might have been something fanciful for storytelling later on, So Hat Yi/ "Beggar So", et al.

Therefore, "Abduction Kick" may be the more suitable, or interchanged.

Anyway, Itinerant Phenomenologist gets my nomination for Hungkyun.com "first prize"!

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Postby PM » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:39 am

the text comes from a story about Wong Keying, published in one of the old mags. magazime says that it was written by Nim Fat Saan Yan, and it is based on Jyu Yujai's stories.

well, i am kind of confused as well... one of the sap duk sau lists has

- 月影撩陰腿

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- 分溜持拐腳

first one is clear, how about this one? duk geuk fei hok? it even looks like having two crutches under the armpits ha ha
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Postby Daifong » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:45 am

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Postby Itinerant_Phenomenologist » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:50 am

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