ten unique/killing techniques, nine special fists

[chusauli]

After a while, all of these forms are monotonous. There's too many forms in Hung Kuen, and people are just playing patterns again and again, mostly for street performances like these. What is the modern Hung Kuen player - just a throwback to the old Dit Da sellers/street performers?

The classic core 4 or 5 forms is enough. Add a few weapons that you would really use and or specialize in would be better.

And to have all the talk of how one does it over another - try it out in combat and see the functionality. Then the form doesn't matter that much...

[laukarfei]

people are different and the variety in the system is good. its up to the practitioner to devote themselves to developing fighting skills, i agree though that few forms will be better for your gung fu in the end but really you need to look outside chinese arts to be complete, espcially in todays world.

[PM]

hello Robert,

i agree - most of the sets which were added later (cca. in the 40's, probably 50's and later) are just the same movements in different order. from all the minor sets, i like only "arrow palm" (jin jeung), as it represents rare "orthodox Siulam, according to legend handed down in Lam family from Ji Sin Sim Si and red boats

i also like "plum flower set" (mui fa kyun), just one thing annoys me - 90% of it is in south paw guard (and i am orthodox); i have even thought of changing the set into its mirror image. Lau ga kyun, wu dip jeung, saam ying kyun plus 101 moern sets, not my cup of tea. gjffk, fhsyk, (nyk), syk, tsk - more than enough.

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as for the "ten" (special techniques, killing hands, whatever), i am not interested much in any of the modern sets, but in the list of the actual ten techniques/combinations, as handed down in different families. i have always admired concepts like 10 seed techniques in CLF, 5 elements in xingyiquan etc. - few reliable technqiues that can be drilled over and over.

from all i have seen, this video makes sense most, as it lists sap duk sau as combos, not single techniques

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPWl4GMgKc[/youtube]

anyway, any list of the core/seed techniques that various families ou ther practice in their daily routine interests me a lot, it does not have to be sap duk sau

[chusauli]

What are Sup Duk Sao and Gou Ji Lien Wan Kuen really? A way to train those specific San Sao which you might otherwise forget.

Why be told to know what the important San Sao are?

You should know them - they are the ones that work real well in combat - make a list for yourself of what they are for you.

Your list may be different than my list.

[Subitai]

[PM]

Robert, yes, that is what i heard from Grandmaster Lam Jou when i have interviewed him. he said:

"there was no set as sap duk sau or sap jyut sau. Lam Saiwing did not had any "ten special techniques", although he had couple of favourites (seui long paau cheui, daan seung fu jaau... ). it is just a general concept saying: make up a list of the techniques that work for you and drill them over and over in various ways (as shadow boxing, using heavy bag, with a sparring partner... )"


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