yeah, we say WCH is incomplete HK for lazy ladies, they say WCH is refinement of outdated and stiff HK

just kidding, i have actually more friends with great WCH skills than friends with great HK skills
i have googled the saying in Chinese, and it is always on WCH websites though. never mind, i like it, i take it
as for Hung Kyun, i know this saying (as quoted by Jyu Yujai, student of Grandmaster Lam Saiwing):
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strikes, kicks, knives and long pole (
kyun, geuk, dou, gwan)