monk Gokyan

[PM]

hello,

i just found this interesting info at Wong kiew Kit sifu's website


Question 7
Is the Venerable Harng Yien, one of Chee Seen's best students, the same person as Kwok Yan, the teacher of Theit Kiew Sam?
Libor, Czech Republic


Answer 7
The Venerable Harng Yien and the Venerable Kwok Yen were different persons. The Venerable Harng Yein was the sipak (elder kungfu brother of one's sifu) of the Venerable Kwok Yan. Kwok Yan's sifu was the Venerable Sam Tuck, who was the junior kungfu brother of Harng Yein.

Hoong Hei Khoon and Luk Ah Choy, who were very important in many Hoong Ka lineages today, were also the junior kungfu brothers of Harng Yein and of Sam Tuck, and therefore were the "sisook" (junior kungfu uncle) of Kwok Yan. So Theit Kiew Sam would call them "sisookgung" (kungfu junior grand uncle). Hoong Hei Khoon also helped Theit Kiew Sam with his kungfu. This is an important point which may help some Hoong Ka practitioners solve their lineage problem.

Most Hoong Ka (Hung Gar) lineages today regard Hoong Hei Khoon as their First Patriarch, and their kungfu style is named after this great kungfu master. But they have a problem linking their generation line back to Hoong Hei Khoon, because their lineage is as follows: Luk Ah Choy --> Wong Kai Ying --> Wong Fei Hoong --> Lam Sai Weng, from whom many Hoong Ka schools developed.

"Theit Seen Khuen" or Iron-Wire Set is considered by many as the most advanced kungfu set in Hoong Ka Kungfu. "Thiet Seen Khuen" was invented by Thiet Kiew Sam, and Thiet Kiew Sam had learnt from Hoong Hei Khoon, not as a "toutai" or student but as a "tousoon" or "kungfu grandson". This would then provide some justification to name Hoong Hei Khoon as the First Patriarch.

It is interesting to note that another great master of this lineage, Wong Fei Hoong, also learned from a teacher two generations above him, Luk Ah Choy, who was his "sigung" -- a situation similar to many Shaolin Wahnam students, who may one day become great masters, learning from me, their "sigung".

http://wongkk.com/answers/ans07b/dec07-1.html

[banditshaw]

If this is the same guy who says he can make clouds move with his Chi. I would take anything else he says with a heap of salt. No offense. That's just my opinion.

It's an interesting diversion of the story that is already known I suppose

[Qasim]

[ngokfei]