Seung Lung Dou

[saambou]

I have always been told that the plum flower double broadsword set was created by Lau Jaam Sifu. It has obviously become a staple in the Lam family curriculum and has been made popular by their demos. My Sigung's school in Taiwan (Lau Jaam lineage) teaches the set, but I have not learned it and have never seen it. I am familiar only with the Lam family version. I was wondering, does anyone know more about the set's history? Has anyone ever learned the Lau family version, If so what differences are there? What do people like about both versions?

As a side note, I am new to this board. I think that this site is a great effort to unite the southern arts, and I look forward to learning more from, and contributing to more non-political discussions.

[Frank Bolte]

what I heard from other Lau Family members is that the original set is much longer,but I have never seen it....

[Daifong]

My Si Gung used to play the Dei Tong Seung Dou (地堂雙刀), so there may have been a rolling section in it.



Best,

Michael

[saambou]

Thanks for the info guys! After some digging I managed to find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNn_nyAe ... re=mh_lolz

[hasayfu]

Nice find. Pretty hard core to do the ground roles in the middle of the street.
Thanks for sharing.

Anyone know who this guy is?

[Daifong]

[saambou]

Daifong is correct! Luo Guo Cheng (Lo Kwok Sing) is a student of Lin Li Mao (Lam Lai Mau) in Taiwan.

Lau Jaam (劉湛) > Lam Sik Chiu (林錫釗) > Lin Li Mao (林禮懋) > Luo Guo Cheng (羅國誠).

[Daifong]

Well thank you, Saambou. It's great for the lineages to re-connect, and just watching this has really been a treat!



This set is called the 滚躺双刀/ Gwan Tong Seung Do/ "Rolling Double Knives".

Now that I think back (conversation, maybe 20 years ago), the name of the set my Sigung was said to have played may well have been "Gwan Tong Seung Do", and when I said, "Huh?" I was then explained it meant "rolling, rolling on the ground". From that, I may have thought that I had heard Dei Tong/ "Earth Court", (another name for floor technique), and simply left it at that. When I asked what happened to the set, I was told, "Buk Pai" (Northern),
"very long time no practice". Therefore, I didn't pay it any further attention, until just now.

As we can see, the manner in which the knives are held in the above-shown Gwan Tong Seung Do (at both the beginning and the ending salutations), most certainly bear testimony to Northern origins.

Gwan Tong Seung Do/ "Rolling Double Knives" contains so much in common with my Sigung's Mui Fa Seung Lung Do/ "Plum Blossom Double Dragon Knives", that I would go so far as to say it is likely the same, just that the salutations were changed, the Dei Fa/ "Ground Flower" removed, and other adjustments made, similar to other knives that my Sigung has adapted (the Pek Gwa Daan Do and Ji Faai Daan Do/ "Commander's Knife", for two main examples).

Once the Dei Fa/ "Ground Flower" was edited, it could no longer be called Gwan Tong Seung Do, therefore,
Mui Fa Seung Lung Do/ "Plum Blossom Double Dragon Knives" would be the more appropriate.

Well, this has been conjecture on my part, but it would certainly connect a few loose ends, and because such adaptation and conversion are a hallmark of my Sigung, frankly, it would not surprise me in the least.

The way my Sigung would explain it to us, the Mui Fa Seung Lung Do that we see today, was a collaboration between GM Lau Jaam, and GM Lam Cho himself.



Best,

Michael

[cheesedip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYvKRq4rMfQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf-V4arA2vg

I had heard there was a Choy Lee Fut version of the Hung Gar set. I think the above links are it as it does look very similar.

[Daifong]

[cheesedip]

I explored and found this. This youngster is pretty good too!!!