Sword set

[Subitai]

Great discussion,
Isn't so interesting how many sources of Information there are?

[tripleHHH]

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=jUf5-2JqFM0

Mak Sifu is clean. Good info on the comments as well.

[PM]

confirms what have been written above

[tripleHHH]

Sifu Albright has been around forever and knows all the masters. Good Kung Fu too.

[LGH]

Lam Sai Wing created the Gung gi doy chaak and the two person pole set

I believe that Lam Cho created all of the rest of the two person sets that are in his curriculum.

There were also three person sets that were practiced from his younger days but I do not think that any of these are practiced any more. One of these is seen in some poses from the set where Lam Cho is wielding the double broadswords vs two partners.

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[LGH]

Hi HHH

Yes this is the way that I understand it from my training. Firstly I have to say that I was responding to a question on page 1...after i posted I realized that there were 4 more pages of results...lol...

But from my understanding of the two person sets in our curriculum, is that it was Lam Sai Wing that created the Pole vs Pole (two person single ended staff), and also the two person Gung gi doy chaak.

Story: That one time Wong Fei Hung had demonstrated the long pole set (Ng Long Baat gwa gwan) and that a master (cannot remember the name at this time) was watching and this was his family system's specialty and as surprised to see that Wong Fei Hung had the entire set. But he noticed that in execution he believed that Wong Fei Hung did not fully understand the details of the set. He spoke with Wong Fei Hung and for two weeks he stayed with Wong Fei Hung and taught him the details of the set making it stronger. When Lam Sai Wing learned the set and the details of the set he decided to create the two person pole set to make the details of the applications more evident so that they would not be lost through the passing of time. Just a story but this is one that I heard on the origin of the Ng Long baat Gwa Gwan two person set.

It is very interesting to hear what others have to say as it shows us evidence and greater understanding of our past masters and the close relationships that they had with one another. Some sets which we assume are from a certain point on, has been shown to also be in other lineages. But it is believable to me that since the Chinese Martial arts community has always been fairly small to those masters that we discuss that they may have exchanged a lot of sets at certain periods of time.

For example I have been taught to understand that the "double dragon broadsword set" was created by Lau Jaam, but it was one of Lam Cho's favorite performance sets. He learned this from Lau Jaam and it is very close to the Lau version.

So my post is just what I have experienced from my own training. I have been training in Hung gar since 1979, but I am always amazed at the depth of knowledge when so many practitioners of the art get together and discuss what they have been taught.

I am also so glad that the forum is back and running. How nice it is to read posts from around the world on the arts that we train.

[Daifong]

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[Rising Crane]

Thanks for that video HHH!
I had never seen that, set. I'd only seen the more commonly demonstrated double ended staff doi chak.
My Sifu choreographed a single headed staff form from our 'Hung Gar 13 spears' pole set, and it's got a lot of the same techniques as this one

[PM]

excellent performance!

[LGH]

Wow awesome performance.

[Frank Bolte]

Denis Chiu Sifu(son of Chiu Wai sifu) vs. Chiu wah sifu , met them both several times,very kind people!

[Daifong]

GM Chiu Wai and his students, exemplary skills, excellent Mo Dak.