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Postby indrafist » Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:15 pm

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Postby Daifong » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:58 am

Well, here is some footage of Jimmy Chan-Wai Sifu, of Liverpool Hung Gar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj1Y1pC_7RE

I can see what you mean, "unorthodox" Hung Gar. A grandstudent of Chan Hon Chung refers to him (in the comment section on one of the clips), as "Si Bak", but the only thing that I could recognize was Moi Fa Kyun, a student trying to learn "Ten Tigers" from the Fu Hok , and of course the trademark Yan Sau/ "Guiding Hand" position, same as on your own "Seven Star Combination" clip...

Of course, he knows his Gung Fu, as can be seen when he demonstrates imho a rather unique version of the "Eight Golden Brocade":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sb4pBZi ... re=related

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Postby indrafist » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:04 pm

Hi Michael,

Many thanks indeed fror taking the time to make such detailed and obviously very informed replies. Much appreciated.

Yes the fellow in the blue from the 1973 video on my Youtube channel is Liu-Ying-Wah. He also features here: http://www.youtube.com/user/lionsroarsi ... 7j9Z3jpIU4 which is a couple of decades later at one of my students schools. The 'Tow-Choi' (head shot, hook punch he 'seeds') is supposed to impact on the carotid with the mounted thumb joint.
I actually use this fist formulation a lot, (in strangles) and also from the 'guard' position to bounce someone's spine on it as a 'spike' its very effective at encouraging a closed guard to open. Again in a clinch its usable against the solar plexus as a contact pressure point strike, and also against a defence against a hip through (Shuai-Chiao/Judo style) by compressing into the floating ribs. I also use the standard Lama-Fist - which has the mounted thumb, as a maleable fist that forms from a 'Panther' style shape into the Lama position, to depress against the top of the Acromion process (shoulder joint) - which is a very workable pressure point. The mounted thumb from a hook is applied here: http://www.youtube.com/user/lionsroarsi ... DirV84VXi4 from 01.36 secs as a retracting strike against the ulnar nerve of the wrist (from a hook around the bridge.
Here from about 02.02 secs there's a mounted thunb used against the golgi tendon of the elbow.http://www.youtube.com/user/lionsroarsi ... mgk1PJXthc Again at 02.27 secs http://www.youtube.com/user/lionsroarsi ... mgk1PJXthc

Thanks re the video of Master Chan. About half the pics shown are lifted directly, without acknowledgement, from my website: http://lionsroar.name/shaolin_kung_fu.htm The people referred to on Youtube are from his 'Second Family' and their students. There was a lot of difference between what the First Family learned and what they subsequently learned and then subsequently again, themselves taught.

The two Fut-Gar forms on my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/lionsroarsi ... tmv1vXDYdY and http://www.youtube.com/user/lionsroarsi ... CAVXfaUiKg These are shown exactly as Master Chan taught them back in 1975 - with the 'softer' energy he emphasized for them. They look completely different as taught now by his grandstudents. That's fine, but just to set the record straight - they're shown as originally taught.

Yes indeed there's been a lot of interchange, and that's very healthy. Some Lama branches are heavily influenced by Choy-Lay-Fut and even Bak-Mei (which is good). Master Lo-Wai-Keung is very highly thought of and respected - his Lama is different to the late GM Chan-Tai-Shan's but both source from the same root. My Tibetan arts are influenced by my Hung-Gar and Fut-Gar and also by some other styles. It's inevitable that syncretisms will develop and will probably (at least sometimes) show 'hybrid vigor'.

Master Chan was a good man, who did a huge amount of work for charity. I remember him, and respect him, for that He was kind to me, even when I'd err from the path, and he acknowledged me in his final illness as his original senior student. In memory of him, I'll pass on what I received from him on to my son.

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Postby indrafist » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:08 pm

Hi Ironpalm,

Pretty much agreed on what you have to say.

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