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[Yogicmotion]

How many of you guys play this set? I just saw Don Hamby's version on Youtube. Pretty cool beginner set.

At what level do you usually teach it?

[Daifong]

As a minor set which specializes strictly on the Hung Kyun shorthand technique, Jin Jeung compliments the GJFFK foundation, opening additional avenues in neutralization skills, while providing tools which can maximize the practitioner's own force. More simply conceived in it's concept base than FHSYK, Jin Jeung offers a quick-to-learn array of combat-ready technique. Also, it's Lam Saiwing's family set, thus speaking to the usage of Lam Family Knives as well...

The ambidexterous approach provided by GJFFK is important from both health and practicality standpoints. However, during initial stages of training fighting tactics, using the left side to set up the right (or vice versa) can help prevent a lot of indecisiveness. Thus, fighting off of one side, then using the other side as a 'switch' tactic from the Bai Jong/ fighting stance, at least until the fighter has developed the further ability to 'make every position your Bai Jong'...

Thus, the fact that Jin Jeung is only partially ambidextrous should not be off-putting. If this was the only training material one had, of course basics should be practiced left and right...

Meanwhile, nothing replaces GJFFK skills. So, to learn the Jin Jeung first, if training from a skill-base standpoint, would be an 'eat now, pay later' plan. Personally, I prefer to approach the entire system from GJFFK skills, because it's what everything else in WFH Hung Kyun is based upon. Why approach from some amendment or digression from WFH's program?

Likewise, as FHSYK skills represent such diversity in scope, this obviously represents a higher stage. While Jin Jeung compliments the GJFFK foundation, to spend significant time developing Jin Jeung skills after training those in FHSYK would actually be back-tracking (not always a bad thing, lol)...

Still, most beginners are going to be motivated by practicing sets, and Jin Jeung Kyun is quite approachable as an introduction. It is common knowledge that GJFFK can be fairly daunting to beginners, if attempted in its entirety. Also, even learning GJFFK, beginners should relax, and just breath naturally...

Of all the minor Hung Kyun sets that can be trained, IMHO Jin Jeung is the most concise, offering a fairly complete (if rather specialized) picture of shorthand concepts, as well as good foundational development overall...

Once having gained foundational skill and conceptual familiarity through set practice, all further development can be more meaningfully pursued...
In sum, although WFH Hung Kyun ultimately does not need this set, Jin Jeung does encapsulate some variance in GJFFK skills, and thus can be of resource at higher levels also, as all else depends upon reliable GJFFK skills. As times, places, and needs have changed, such encapsulation can be an important learning tool, where practitioners are asking some direction in which to 'experiment'...

Therefore, while training Jin Jeung either before or after the GJFFK are both fine, teaching any time after FHSYK, if we are going to keep these skills at all, it's better late than never!



Best,

Michael

[PM]

Daifong: Excellent analysis!

Yogicmotion: i teach it after gjffk and fhsyk, as a part of Lam Ga Siulam Kyun (jin jeung, double knves and six and half point long pole). students can can usually learn the set in 2-3 sessions. see the curriculum of my school here:

http://www.lghk.org/en/curriculum/index.htm

(well, the longer i teach, the more i trimm down my curriculum - i teach less and less sets, weapons and sparrign sets, and concentrate more on 2-men drills. i am currently revising the curriculum again, leaving the rest as "special material" for those who are interested. so or so, jin jeung is still part ofthe core curriculum)

sometimes i also teach those 3 non-Wong Feihung sets as a complete minimalistic system itself, especially the foreign students - one fist set, one long weapon, one short (double) weapon. Baan Jung Siulam Kyun, does it sound familiar? any WCH guys here?

[Daifong]