Adding meaningful input in this topic seems to require both a in depth knowledge of Hung Gar, but also of other systems to know where the differences are.
I think with my previous experience in other arts the differences are in the lines of "the hand never returns empty", and yao within gong, and that these differences can be called the seeds Chris means whereupon you can draw techniques.
Hung Kuen's "seed" techniques
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by Subitai » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:01 pm
This is starting to sound holier that thou....
"OHHH, there's a list but I can't say"
Do you know you sound like DaiFong when you talk like that?
I have so much stuff that's considered basic in my family... a ton of dumb Fuks think its advanced material.
What would it sound like if I said; Why isn't "that" commonly known? Yeah that's right, i'd sound like you.
You and I can both confront eachother in a way that says..."It's only our own point of view".
The only difference is, i've offered up more.
PM, listed techniques...but they mean nothing without the energies I spoke of. Even he should concede to that.
It's not a put down PM, it's a common thing in Hung Gar to have at least these 3 things behind every method:
1) Good stance structure either moving, stationary or how to bridge with the legs.
2) Good arm Bridges, alive and responsive but not weak...ready to attack with power.
3) Good Power when you strike, lock or throw.
All of these involve a good teacher instructing you how to move and use the energies of the bridges in leg, arm & whole body.
And if anyone isn't being instructed that way....I could easily pull a Chris and say " Why isn't this commonly known?"
I'll tell you why, if the don't. Then they are either Seminar students or book & video students that never had a dedicated teacher for any length of time. And if they did and still don't know, perhaps someone is holding back.
"O"
"OHHH, there's a list but I can't say"
Do you know you sound like DaiFong when you talk like that?
I have so much stuff that's considered basic in my family... a ton of dumb Fuks think its advanced material.
What would it sound like if I said; Why isn't "that" commonly known? Yeah that's right, i'd sound like you.
You and I can both confront eachother in a way that says..."It's only our own point of view".
The only difference is, i've offered up more.
PM, listed techniques...but they mean nothing without the energies I spoke of. Even he should concede to that.
It's not a put down PM, it's a common thing in Hung Gar to have at least these 3 things behind every method:
1) Good stance structure either moving, stationary or how to bridge with the legs.
2) Good arm Bridges, alive and responsive but not weak...ready to attack with power.
3) Good Power when you strike, lock or throw.
All of these involve a good teacher instructing you how to move and use the energies of the bridges in leg, arm & whole body.
And if anyone isn't being instructed that way....I could easily pull a Chris and say " Why isn't this commonly known?"
I'll tell you why, if the don't. Then they are either Seminar students or book & video students that never had a dedicated teacher for any length of time. And if they did and still don't know, perhaps someone is holding back.
"O"
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by Chris H » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:23 pm
WTF man? I said there wasn't a "DEFINITIVE" list (using your words). Quit twisting my words all around just so you can nitpick.
And if you are trying to make it sound like this is all mindless philosophy, or whatever, then I'm afraid my point has been lost on this thread.
F*ck you very much on the Daifong comment.
And if you are trying to make it sound like this is all mindless philosophy, or whatever, then I'm afraid my point has been lost on this thread.
F*ck you very much on the Daifong comment.
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by Subitai » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:37 am
Right back at you pal... It is what it is!
Early on you said; “I would think of the seeds, as tools, not as techniques. Wu Dip Jeung, Po Pai Sau, things like that are techniques or methods, and not necessarily tools, but they are built from more "primordial" tools..
And then PM lists the very same things and gets the Jahova approval?????
Not as an insult to PM but he listed a bunch of stuff that even Curtis Kautzman could have spewed out...that info is practically public domain from the LTW training manual.
You were being so vague and then you make it sound holier than thou.
I guess that’s only commonly known to you?
I’m not apologizing; I doubt many people thought you were being coherent. Having people take shots in the dark for you and then you act holy…Daifong all the way.
Sh!t, I thought you could take it as a joke. Seeing as how we used to all the time. But screw you if you can’t.
Early on you said; “I would think of the seeds, as tools, not as techniques. Wu Dip Jeung, Po Pai Sau, things like that are techniques or methods, and not necessarily tools, but they are built from more "primordial" tools..
And then PM lists the very same things and gets the Jahova approval?????
Not as an insult to PM but he listed a bunch of stuff that even Curtis Kautzman could have spewed out...that info is practically public domain from the LTW training manual.
You were being so vague and then you make it sound holier than thou.
I guess that’s only commonly known to you?
I’m not apologizing; I doubt many people thought you were being coherent. Having people take shots in the dark for you and then you act holy…Daifong all the way.
Sh!t, I thought you could take it as a joke. Seeing as how we used to all the time. But screw you if you can’t.
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by Chris H » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:27 am
Seriously man, I don't know what got your panties in a bunch, but I don't see where you are getting this holier than thou shit. It was not my intention at all to sound as such. I haven't condemned anybody's "shots in the dark." So I don't know where you are coming from with that.
I didn't say I agree with Pavel's list entirely, hence the reason why I said "essentially" in my reply to PM. Most of what he said I agreed with though.
If it were indeed common knowledge/public domain, from a book or not, and no matter how basic or not (after all, they are seeds, so they are meant to be basic) that would make this whole topic much more ironic, because that would indicate that the info is out there, and yet its still uncommon.
I am not saying some seed list, or whatever, is the end all and be all, or some holy grail, or anything like that. It would only be one rung on the ladder, and, more importantly, the first rung on the ladder.
Your going balls over me not providing a list, but I did not provide one because we were still not on the same page as to what we thought seeds were.
Peace
I didn't say I agree with Pavel's list entirely, hence the reason why I said "essentially" in my reply to PM. Most of what he said I agreed with though.
If it were indeed common knowledge/public domain, from a book or not, and no matter how basic or not (after all, they are seeds, so they are meant to be basic) that would make this whole topic much more ironic, because that would indicate that the info is out there, and yet its still uncommon.
I am not saying some seed list, or whatever, is the end all and be all, or some holy grail, or anything like that. It would only be one rung on the ladder, and, more importantly, the first rung on the ladder.
Your going balls over me not providing a list, but I did not provide one because we were still not on the same page as to what we thought seeds were.
Peace
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