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No-Shadow Kicks

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No-Shadow Kicks

Postby Mig » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:10 pm

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Postby vtml » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:02 am

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Postby Asmo » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:18 am

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Postby PM » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:25 am

yes, exactly as Asmo said.

all the kicks we do we train in a "shadow on top, kick below" way - groin kick, tiger tail kick and hooking sweeping kick.

Cantonese (Yale)/Mandarin (Pinyin) = mou ying geuk/wu ying jiao, the characters you already have.

he is a goo no shadow kick combo form fhsyk:

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we train it as a sideways entry, and it works really well - you got either kicked or hit, when you defend the double palms, i get rid of your hands with the raking hands and immediately go for your eyes with double geung ji cheui strikes
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Postby HungFamilyFist » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:50 pm

agreed. as i understand it, it's any kick where the leg is hidden then comes out, especially like in PM's 1st pic. Chances are, WFH was really good at baiting people into it. Then stories became legend in kung fu films, which warped it into something a bit more sensational.
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Thanks a bunch

Postby Mig » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:16 am

Thanks for the right word and explanation. Is this the term only for hungar or does exist another term for the same kick?

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Again wu yin jiao

Postby Mig » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:31 pm

Well, I have used this kick from the position cross legs in several forms but never used in real fight. I keep wondering how effective this kick can be assuming that the opponent is taller, bigger or heavier. The question I have always wondered is balance from this position or even cat position. I've never seen in kumites or tournaments nothing to be applied.

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Postby PM » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:04 pm

jau ma is a step, not a stance, helping you to close the distance, keeping your lead shoulder forward; according to classics, "unicorn step is like a flying horse", ie. fast and swift. anyway, think of all stances in the sense of footwork, not positions you want to remain in.

so, suppose you are in a classic guard (left hand/leg forward), in a safe distance from yur opponent. you jau ma (right over left), at the same time you bridge with your left "shadow" hand, once he reacts and defends, you grab (if you succeed, very good, if not, never mind), and at the same time deliver right sharp deng cheui to his eye or anywhere to the face, and simultaneously left kick to the groin. not a typical tournament combo though. (btw. we also train lateral entry, which leaves his groin more exposed)

summary: works for me :-) try 100x times a day with a partner for couple of days, then time to time throw this combo in your sparring sessions and tell me if it works for you or not :-)
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