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WCH/White Crane/HK Chinese article

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WCH/White Crane/HK Chinese article

Postby PM » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:14 am

interesting text - from http://wingchunkuen.com/modules.php?nam ... 3155#13155

Wingcheun, White Crane, Fa Hung Kyun, Hung kyun Wingcheun, Siulam Wingcheun, Hung tau Choi mei Wingcheun... would be interesting to translate

〈咏春〉 Praise the Spring

历史地点—约于1860起,太平天国李文茂事件后,粤剧禁演。武生黄华宝于佛山传授与梁赞。

始见于—黄华宝传授与梁赞,梁赞整理后而发展。

拳套:—因应壹套全新锻链系统设计而成,只有拳种共三套。依次由浅入深小念头,寻桥,标指等咏春

独有拳套,完全没有其他门派或南少林拳套之影子。有南少林六点半棍(与梁二娣交换而来)。




由武生黄华宝及船工梁二娣开始,时值太平天国及洪兵起义反清期间,当时(1854年)红船中人李文茂(?-1858)率众反清,导致粤剧全面被禁达15年之久。华宝,二娣从此公开授武。二娣曾习钦州洪兵拳术 (蛇形洪拳、琼花会馆被焚毁后,改称少林拳),孰练六点半棍法,二公传与跌打兼中医师梁赞、梁赞整理后传出。



黄华宝 Wong Wah Po

黄华宝于清嘉庆后期出生(1796-1820);道光(1820-1850);咸丰(1850-1861)时期人士,粤剧武生。

由于1854年另一佛山粤剧武生李文茂为广东三合会领袖之一,他响应太平天国,率众数千人,大多数为粤剧界中人,于两广反抗满清,最终1858年失败身亡,导至粤剧被禁演长达十五年。佛山琼花会馆解散,红船被破坏。黄华宝曾追随梁兰桂学习秘传之拳术。从此在佛山授拳。华宝在红船期间,其中一条船上安装有木人桩,刀桩及棍桩等习武器具,甲板上划有梅花桩步法〈红船木人,地脚梅花〉。此时,共同学习的有船工梁二娣,二娣是洪门中人(少林子弟-三德和尚?),精通六点半棍法。他们亦师亦友,互相交换心得。后二人尽将所学传与梁赞(1828-1901)。梁赞时,正式将此套武学,订名学为咏春拳。


梁二娣 Leong Yee Tai

梁二娣(黄华宝同时期人),任职红船,长撑船及煲头。是广东洪门(少林)子弟,精钦州洪拳蛇形手,通六点半棍法。据说传人有钦州罗晚恭(公),再传蛇形郭保全。有一种说法指少林六点半棍法是由流落红船的至善禅师(洪门组织领袖-参考陈享)传与三德和尚、那么三德和尚是否梁二娣(南拳老洪拳传人) 呢?(未能佐证)。太平天国的水军著名将领罗大纲,为两广边界客家人(一说出身潮汕鱼户人家),在广西梧州大湟江口为水贼、加入三合会,后加入太平军。




〈白鹤拳〉 Fujian White Crane

历史地点—始于清初顺治时之福建省永春县。

始创人—方种(方掌光)与女儿方七娘(永春七娘)。加上台湾降将白戒之武术而成。

拳套:—十套。初级套路为三战拳,并无小念头(小链头),寻桥,标指等咏春独有拳套。



〈红船永春拳〉 Red Boat Enternal Spring

历史地点—1870年后,太成国李文茂事件后,粤剧禁演。大花面(陆)锦于广州传授与冯小清。

相关人物—大花面(陆)锦。

冯小青

冯(在1870年后,当时粤剧可以在广州恢复演出)在广州追随师父粤剧武生新锦(大花面锦,陆锦)学习红船永春(前身为福建白鹤拳)。新锦在粤剧班中是黄华宝(1854年前在佛山粤剧演出之武生)的后辈。所以根本无何能陆锦与黄华宝连上关系。冯小青大约在1920年左右在佛山去世,享寿72岁。



〈花洪拳〉 Fa Hung Kuen (Flower Hung Kuen)

拳套:花拳,箭拳,七星拳等。无寻桥,标指等咏春独有拳套。

有缠丝棍〔不同于梁二娣(咏春拳)之六点半棍〕。





混合咏春 -------------- Mix Praise the Spring

咏春拳注重实效,拳理自然科学,合乎人体力学,三角几何。人人可以依照自身条件来学习。加上中国传统哲理,

儒家中正守法,道法自然随意,佛性修心,不行邪念。造成可以发展之有利条件。

现在很多学习其他门派之人士,亦加入原咏春之原理或动作,将自身之动作招式改变,发展了:

1,洪拳咏春—以‘至善禅师’为创始人。部分洪家拳加上更改之咏春拳套路。
Hung Kuen Praise the Spring

2,少林咏春—以‘至善禅师’为创始人。部分老洪拳加上更改之咏春拳套路。
Shao Lin Praise the Spring


3,红船永春—部分永春拳加上黄华宝之小练(念)头。梁二娣之六点半棍。
Red Boat enternal Spring


4,永春咏春—以‘永春三(七)娘’为创始人。部分永春拳加上咏春三套拳套路。

White Crane enternal spring Praise the Spring


5,洪头蔡尾咏春—以‘至善禅师’为创始人。部分洪家拳,部分蔡李佛拳如“小练”,“走四门”。加上咏春三套拳套路。

Hung Gar Starting Choy Gar ending Praise the Spring


可惜,咏春拳是一个完整之学习系统,如果只学其部分,如其套路,更改其手法,加以花巧,表现刚烈,便失其真。

如果只学其原理,不随其系统手法,终不得其至美。



陈国基永春拳 (花洪拳) Chan Kok Kei Enternal spring or Fa Hung Kuen


陈国基家父陈家廉,擅长一字剑、十三枪及双刀拆棍等母系拳术。家廉自小在乡间学习自母亲黎好(妙显)之洪拳,长大后,1932年追随父亲陈汝棉前往广西授徒(之前从未在佛山授徒),而母亲黎好则从顺德到佛山,留守陈馆教授洪拳,陈汝棉之徒弟招就得以追随兼学其花洪拳。

解放后,中共禁止传授咏春拳,陈家廉在顺德一所小学中教授花洪拳。此时的弟子有谭焕标。而在解放后始学习花拳的黄仁智后反传陈家廉之子陈国基。谭焕标等现称此拳是顺德永春拳,实质是洪拳与部分咏春拳之变异。

* 陈国基永春拳与冯少青之红船永春拳无关。

陈国基尊“至善禅师”为先师。他说此拳由至善所创,为纪念永春殿故取名为永春拳。又说清帝火烧福建少林寺,只剩下永春殿(这是花拳之传说历史)。因为至善禅师、洪熙官、黄坤三人(这是洪拳之传说)当时外游,才免于难云云。又说清庭发现永春拳是少林拳,因而剿之,于是改名“咏春”云云。所以陈国基复名为“永春拳”。

陈国基自称学自家传。独有秘传后半部咏春拳套(祖母黎好之花洪拳拳套);四门拳、伏虎拳、佛掌“注1”、红砂掌、梅花枪、九环刀等等。现在之所谓 “ 下半部”咏春拳的招式,不过是把其他门派的招式胡混堆砌,包括有龙形、洪拳及鹰爪等,独不见咏春精髓。固此,陈国基及谭焕标之所谓“嫡传少林永春拳”实与吴仲素、叶问等所传(吴与问公均为陈国基之祖华公佛山门下传人,因此问公于港传武期间仍称本门派为佛山咏春派)佛山咏春也无关。
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