Informations about Vang Ngoc Hà and his teacher Vong Van Hoa

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Vang Ngoc Hà was teacher of my sijo's martial school Dario Ambra, that was sifu of my Sifu. Sorry for my english. In next times Dario Ambra leaves him (vang ngoc ha) but he have learned the four pillars and moi fa kuen.

Now I'm searching informations about these two, to kwon also where Vong Van Hoa learned "little hung gar" and from who.
I hope you can help me.
Thank evrybody to pay attention to me.

This is the site where I taked some informations: http://hunggar-kungfu.com

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hello, i have never heard these names before. some Vietnamese branch of Hung Kyun? all the best, welcome on the forum!

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I think so. Thank you for the welcome.

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It seems impossible to find information about these two. You know, what "little hung gar?

[Chunyat]

[Kriya]

from the web site

"... Hung Hy Quan mourut jeune, et n’eut pas tout le temps nécessaire pour enseigner complètement son style à ses disciples.
Cependant, avant sa mort, il transcrit en un livre d’or de l’école, toutes les méthodes de travail, ainsi transmises à son fils adoptif Hung Man Tinh. Ces méthodes comprennent une centaine de Khuyns (mains nues et armes blanches) faisant la grande richesse du petit style Hung Gar...."

"... Néanmoins, Hung Hy Quan est toujours honoré comme fondateur du Hung-Gar. On ne parle jamais de Hung Man Tinh, son fils adoptif qui a été autorisé par le fondateur à enseigner et généraliser le petit style après sa mort. L’histoire du petit style manque encore beaucoup de détails et d’éclaircissements jusqu’à nos jours...."

Translation:
"... Hung Yi Quan died young, and did not have any time to teach his style completely to his disciples.
However, before his death, he transcribed into a book from school, all work processes, and sent his adopted son, Hung Man Tinh. These included a hundred Khuyns (bare hands and knives) which the wealth of small Hung Gar style..."

"... However, Hung Hy Quan is always honored as founder of Hung Gar. No one ever speaks of Hung Man Tinh, his adopted son who has been authorized by the founder to teach and spread the little style after his death. The story of little style still lacks many details and clarifications to the present..."

Hung Man Tinh...... I seem to remember that the person of Hung Hei Gung's son (Hung Man Tin) was an invention of the Lau family for one of their movies.
Nothing found historically and even derived from a legend.
and then, of course, as in all the schools that do not have a clear lineage reconstructed, there is always a controversial book of transmission of the secrets of the school
given to her adopted son and that, therefore, is the only one who possesses the true essence complete of the style.
the only authorized, original and with the true hallmark!.

Yes this school (when nobody in Italy, knew nothing of Hung Gar), had managed to create a following and a subsequent good business.
I'm talking about the late 70th and early 80th.

Damiano

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[Kriya]

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Dear Kriya, thank you for your information.
But when you talk of "true Chinese school" and another "flavor" than the Vietnamese trio what you mean?
Finally you think, then, that the approach of the "trio" was traditional and even you say that the style I practice is a collection of multiple styles.
However, I must say that Ambra has taught my sifu at least the 4 pillars and the Moi Fa Kuen of Hung Gar, for the rest, we practice, in fact, different forms containing the mixture of several other styles, predominantly Hung Gar and choy li fut.

[Kriya]

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