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Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan's philosophy

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:45 pm
by LucaB
Hi all,

It is said that Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan is closely related to Baat Gwa's philosophy. Many techniques inside the form refer to: Tai Gik, Liang Yi, Sei Ji, Baat Gwa. Master Wong Wong Kiew Kit says: "…The big circular sweep of the staff (represented as the cosmos above) is used to keep opponents at bay. Circular movements can be clockwise or anti-clockwise (represented as two spheres). These two movements can manifest into four main techniques (represented as four forms) — “cover”, ”flick”, ”low sweep”, “reversed sweep” — which are effective for defending against any attacks from four cardinal directions. There are eight major techniques for attack (represented as eight dimensions) — “dot”, “middle spear”, “low spear”, “cut”, “vibrate”, “circle”, “hit”, “squat”".
What do you think about it? Have you got different informations?

Re: Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan's philosophy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:26 am
by Daifong

Re: Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan's philosophy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:44 am
by LucaB
Hi Michael,

Unfortunately I can't help you. :D

Here below the complete article:
"Fifth Brother Eight-Trigram Staff”, or “Ng Long Pat Kua Khuan” in Chinese (Cantonese), is one of the most famous staff sets. It is a fundamental weapon set of Hoong Ka Kungfu.
It originated from Yeong Ng Long (“Yang Wu Lang” in Mandarin pronunciation), who was a famous general of the Song Dynasty. He and his six brothers together with their father who was a marshal, were very skilful in their spears. Collectively they were known as the Yeong (Yang) Family Generals, and their spear techniques known as Yeong (Yang) Family Spear.
Unfortunately, in a disastrous battle where they were ambushed, except him, his fourth brother and his sixth brother, all his brothers and his father were killed. Yeong Ng Long escaped to a Buddhist temple on Wutai Mountain where he became a monk. He continued to practice his spear.
In line with his newly found Buddhist philosophy of non-killing, he took off the spear-head and used only the spear shaft. Yeong Ng Long's spear set evolved into a staff set, and was passed on to the Shaolin tradition. It is now called “Ng Long Pat Kua Khuan”, or “Fifth Brother Eight-Trigram Staff”.
In our Shaolin Wahnam School, the philosophy of this staff set is expressed in the following verse (in Cantonese)
Tai khaik fun leong yi Leong yi sung sei cheong Sei cheong pin pat kua Pat kua kwai yam yeong
It is translated as follows:
The cosmos separates into two spheres Two spheres generate four forms Four forms change to eight dimensions Eight dimensions return to yin-yang
The terms above refer to staff techniques and combative skills. The verse may be briefly explained as follows.
The big circular sweep of the staff (represented as the cosmos above) is used to keep opponents at bay. Circular movements can be clockwise or anti-clockwise (represented as two spheres).
These two movements can manifest into four main techniques (represented as four forms) — “cover”, “”flick”, “”low sweep”, “reversed sweep” — which are effective for defending against any attacks from four cardinal directions.
There are eight major techniques for attack (represented as eight dimensions) — “dot”, “middle spear”, “low spear”, “cut”, “vibrate”, “circle”, “hit”, “squat”. All techniques and skills may be applied in a “hard” or a “soft” manner (represented as yin-yang)".

Re: Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan's philosophy

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:00 pm
by Daifong

Re: Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan's philosophy

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:45 pm
by Daifong
Here, this may shed some light upon the subject:

http://www.lamkahungkuen.websyte.com.au ... ungkuen/5/

Re: Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan's philosophy

PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:38 pm
by LucaB
Thank you very much Michael.