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All I know is that he was a student of Tang Fung.
He opened up a gymnasium in NYC
His main 2 disciples are Wan Chi Ming and Tony Lau

One unique thing I've seen is that they have a 5 Element Fist form. Is this taught anywhere else?

Any pictures/info appreciated.

hello,

i do not know anything about the sifu you have mentioned, but as for the 5 element fist for, it is a part of our "ten forms set" (sap ying kyun 十形拳), also called "five animals and five elements" (ng ying ng hang kyun 五形五行拳).

"five animals set" (ng ying kyun 五形五行拳) is from Wong Feihung - the sequence in Dang Fong branch is different from our ng ying kyun (which is not taught much lately).

"five elements"/"ten forms" come from Lam Saiwing, although the five elements techniqes were already in Wong Feihung's system. i have never seen to practice "ten elements" as a separate set, but it is mentioned as a separate set in some old texts i have seen.

so, it would be very interesting to see it and have more info. any from the NY guys? (Ten Tigers?)

all the best

Hey,

we actually have through our malaysian lineage a 5 element fist form which probably predates wfh,its very short and simple..maybe one day i can record it. Its not the part of sap ying.

it is my understanding that the ten shape fist is included in, or has an equivalent section within the 5 animals form (Or vice versa). That may depends on system of course.

It is my understanding that the Ten Shaped Fist refers to Five animals,Five elements. I have seen the Chan Tai-Hing version played as two separate sets. It the Tang Fung versions I have been showed, this is not done. A funny thing about TF people-everyone does it differently, some with totally different versions of the forms, but the underlying principles are still the same. Evidently, TF encouraged his students to evolve and make it their own.LSW hade a larger following, and his family taught large schools, so in their line, you will see more standardized play of the forms. It's all Hung Kuen in the end.