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Here's a clip of GuangDong Lau Ga Kuen's fice animal set.

Personally I hate the way this practitionner moves - with that extremely stiff exaggerated "kung fu face" frolics we often see in PRC demos (such as some of the Hung Kyun ones) , but if you get past it and imagine it done without a 'stick up your a$$ it actually does look like good old Nam Sil Lum Kyun.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EuCH1AKV6s[/youtube]

Hi there,

Can you tell me what "Nam Sil Lum Kyun" is?

Are you saying this video is just of a Hung Gar form? If that's the case, can you link to any video's of it being done elsewhere?

AFAIK, this video is of a Lau Gar Master in Guangdong who is regarded as the lineage holder of Lau Gar.
(ie that's Lau Gar of the southern family styles as a seperate distinct style, not just the Lau Gar forms you find in Hung Gar).

Hello tartovski,

Are you a Lau Gar practitionner? ... and would that be BKFA or other?

"Nam Sil Lum" just means southern shaolin.

BTW, thanks for the tip, but I know about the difference between Lau Gar kuen style and the Lau Ga kuen sets with Hung Ga... in case you haven't noticed you're on a Hung Ga forum.

cheers

Thanks for that. So this form has a good southern flavour, but is not Hung Gar?
That's good - means it's likely to be what it says it is - ie, Lau Gar!

I'm a Lau Gar guy (UMAI under Kevin Brewerton, not BKFA) and trying to find out the origins/lineage of the style.

And it's nice to have someone who does know the difference, i've given up on counting how many internet forums i've gone round in circles on trying to talk about Lau Gar, but other people are talking about the Lau forms in Hung Gar... Hence why I tried to make it clear from the outset!

The Lau Gar Kwan form in Hung Gar originally comes from Chow Gar:

"The Lau Gar routines found in certain branches of Hung Gar, another of the five major family styles, which do not come from Lau Gar proper (see discussion), but were originally a Mok Gar empty-hand routine (Lau Gar Kuen 劉家拳) introduced into the curriculum by a student of Lam Sai-Wing named Lau and a Chu/Chow Gar Mantis staff routine (Lau Gar Gwan 劉家棍) introduced into the curriculum by a student of the Chu/Chow Gar Mantis master Lau Shui, after whom the routine was named."

yep, i agree, i think it is already well known for some time

all the best in your practice, looking forward to read more on original Lau ga system

No, I'm not mistaken.

I know quite well Lau Ga Kyun in Hung Ga comes from Mok Ga and the pole comes from Chu Ga Tong Long.
As I wrote a long time ago in my (now dead) website: 'Around the same time Lam Jou also picked up the rat-tail pole set from Chu Ga Tong Long style (praying mantis). This set came from a student of Lau Sui, after whom Lam Jou named the set. As the sets bore the same name, later the beginning of the fist set was also added to the pole set, making them a matching couple.'

Just like you said the link is dead now, about a year I did a search and all those links are dead by now.
It was about the same article you posted but there were really extra lines telling it was actually Choi Ga (so not Chow Ga/Chu Ga).

Are you related in lineage to the Guangdong Lau Ga?

Jau ga 周家=

- Jau ga tong long 周家螳螂 (Jau ga praying mantis, Southern praying mantis, SPM)- Hakka system (southern praying mantis), short bridges, narrow stances. usualy spelled as Chow Gar

- Jau ga kyun 周家拳- combination of Hung ga 洪家, Choi ga 蔡家 and northern Siulam 北少林. usually spelled as Jow Gar

Choi ga 蔡家 =

- southern Siulam 南少林 system, one of 5 family systems (Hung 洪, Lau 劉, Choi 蔡, Lei 李, Mok 莫) today rarely practiced as a separate system, usually practiced as part of other systems which it has influenced, like Choi Lei fat 蔡李佛, Choi Mok 蔡莫, Jau ga kyun 周家拳 etc. usually spelled as Choy Gar

as for UK Lau ga, i doubt it has much to do with the original Lau ga system; from what i have seen it is a modern mix of various Southern systems and other martial arts/sports

http://www.nanfangdaily.com.cn/southnew ... 250987.asp

There you go. I'd love a translation of that!